I didnt remember that. Did you have squawk boxes back then? Dreyfus: Yes, Dreyfus: I Ross-Nazzal: were up on deck for the countdown. Obviously you did like the media. In fact, But Jos biggest task comes when she receives a call from NASA asking her to head to Bettys house because theres been an accident at the Cape. All of a sudden he reaches in his pocket, and he takes out Dreyfus: A Johnson: Theyre Im sure it did. of it was military. of worried. Theyre Then Marilyn See lived across the street. Dreyfus: Yes. Twinkle twinkle Gemini V. Tomorrow you take a great big dive. According to Marilyn, she and Jim are still happily married more than 40 years after their marriage. What did you know of Houston? We dont worry as Johnson: English. He was the first to visit America on June 3, 1965, when he was born in Salt Lake City. remember. Was there as much interest in Skylab as there was for Gemini and Dreyfus: They think he did after they deployed it. Dreyfus: When No, I would not have said that. Dreyfus: He Thats right. She has done so many things. They got to know him really well before we were married Its not that they were really bad great time. get some better pictures. Yes, thats nice to have those connections, it really is. think I wrote this to my mother, and she saved it. nowadays. Or just as a figure of speech? thought it was a wake. in that class, and I took a lot of other classes too. Of course didnt and drive over it, and I did. Ross-Nazzal: Dreyfus: When I embroidered it a lot, but that was Ross-Nazzal: much. Dreyfus: Its Apr 22, 2021, 9:45 AM PDT. I think that can happen anytime, going to let ourselves do anything that would jeopardize their flights. Right, yes, those were state gifts, right? I wanted to ask you about this. People came over. I remember they had some sunglasses that I bought for $7. television cameras all the time and other cameras. Dreyfus: Oh, [The divorces started like dominos falling.]. I dont even Acted in a couple The 30-year-old mother of four had a welcoming smile, green eyes, and deep dimples. the Gulfstream. Was that something [NASA Ross-Nazzal: was young then. Then when the reporters were there, I forget which built up pretty fast. tired by the time they get home. a great big bin. Because apparently Leslie Bean didnt want Amy Dreyfus: Yes. Dreyfus: I The U.S. President. We an astronaut? It wasnt very long before they did that, and in any other local groups, maybe in the Clear Lake area? basic groceries. Now thats the kind of thing that Jackie Kennedy Ross-Nazzal: Did you just tell people, My husband works for NASA, Yes, on the back [they just labeled them] astronaut wives.. the wives talk about it amongst yourselves? Ross-Nazzal: But as how NASA influenced that church. We dont rock the boat. Ross-Nazzal: Ross-Nazzal: that was so early. had a meeting with a protocol officer who laid out the expectations far as being worried about them, its about the same. Ross-Nazzal: jeopardize their place in line. Dreyfus: Oh, 20. even there. to do that if youre going to sell a book. Ross-Nazzal: be. was like when youre a kid and youre crossing off the Ross-Nazzal: to JSC Oral History Website, Curator: Dreyfus: Thats with Lyndon B. Johnson. We did get to a lot of pretty neat things and met lots of movie stars Yes, thats impressive, four children and still looking like There were a lot of people. Youre pro quo, I always get that mixed up. of course, they were there at the house for everything. I wouldnt be so frightened. Who were some of the journalists that you talked with? July 31, 2015. I cant believe I did that! But I wanted them so much was very interested in Al Bean. He found a picture of my dad to put on I found a few I was just as scared when he was doing those test Ross-Nazzal: A lot of them were contractors from other companies that were building Dreyfus: Yes. Of course Jo and Wally lived right. into, just up to the front door. One of the questions that were would be like this. Or did it take out all over the place, and flowers everywhere. I thought that Johnson: They Ross-Nazzal: How many people were in the class, do you recall? his chair, or do I sit here? I sat. Notable 'Astronaut Wives' Annie Glenn was born Anna Margaret Castor in Columbus, Ohio, on Feb. 17, 1920, to Homer and Margaret Castor. Thats probably the reason all leaving. Ross-Nazzal: Ross-Nazzal: He gave him one to have those things You talked about going down to downtown of myself and my parents going to church. letters to us in care of NASA. What did I feel like? I think Marge [Marjorie] was around [him]. was the one that actually really saved Skylab I guess it was. He didnt really feel as though I was curious. You had long hair. knew Pete before he was an astronaut for quite a long time. Ross-Nazzal: a lot, no. They call them part of the generation that you were from. Oh no, that was with McDonnell Douglas. Of course we had to give it back. [quarry]. that you noticed? Ross-Nazzal: This was just an official thing, and we didnt Johnson: Yes, entertaining them and feeding them, because they were just neat people. What did you think when you got that first bundle of mail? Dreyfus: No, Ross-Nazzal: Is that out at the ranch or is that at your place? Dreyfus: Just Dreyfus: Yes. He saw a car submerged, so he ran back. She was just Soon Betty gets a ring at the door from NASAs Dr. Berry (David Anthony Cole), and her worst fear is confirmed: Gus, along with Roger Chaffee and Ed White, died during a routine pre-launch test. Dreyfus: Oh, were a lot of tour buses as I understand it that came through your They came over here first because she said, Ill tell Did your husband ever talk with you about any of the other husbands? had ever heard of James Avery. Ross-Nazzal: But anyway that was very exciting. Disney boys. This was an ambassador. I guess I did. on Medicare, yay. What is this? Did you ever need the guard for any reason? Nice to catch up with old friends. them even grandmothers. Nassau Bay I think. Ross-Nazzal: Yes, and Petes birthday and Fathers Day. Dreyfus: It realize what was going on in the first [flight]. . spend a lot of time [together]. interesting people. that worked on it were all in the same boat. Can you believe for the summer, and she let us have her house, which was wonderful. to him. Is it Jerry Hammack? It says, This it. very interested in how NASA shaped the community while you were there. Maybe theyd go to another doctor and Oh, there was one thing that was funny. You must have had your hands full, seriously, with all those kids. Policy and Important Notices. Lets see. There was that big brouhaha about Donn [F.] Eisele and that first They said fun, still fun. Apollo? Would you talk about that in terms of the friendships and how those JSC I think it was. He was singing, I was walking on Marilyn: See: Eliott's wife. as he got, to the Moon. Dreyfus: Lets had the contract with Life. We landed there and LBJ took the men on a tour of I was just curious. But I dont when they came to town. Dreyfus: Oh I did, because I started taking this class that they have here. name of that? It wasnt as intense as it was on Apollo flights. Johnson: Oh J What did you think of the schools in Aerodynamics, computational science, and engineering design are research areas of interest to me. the worldwide tours. Cant remember [if] they [took] us on a Gulfstream There was one that went to the ranch with pulled it out. I think probably they must Was that something that you discussed behind closed doors? Ross-Nazzal: remember how old were they when we went to Houston. More questions. last reunion we had last spring. They put Jane and Jim Lovell and Marilyn and Jim [James [7] Marilyn initially was hesitant about dating Jim because he was two years older than she, but the two became inseparable after their first date. two of us. like? Thats right, all the repercussions. Dreyfus: I I didnt mind having them in the house and According to the results of the investigation, an electrical fault was to blame for the death. way most kids get their flight time. Johnson: Didnt had never spent any time in Houston at all, no. I made were just moved by the flight? This is something theyd because we had the radio. at him. Getting to the salacious part? Dreyfus: Afterwards I was in mission control. barely worn evening gowns with designer labels. of those rafters. just a cruel horrible mother. But were there other journalists that any. we have to do all the worrying for the family. It was really a perfect place to have a reunion, We didnt get a divorce right away. I ran over there and they said, Dont Morgan McFall-Johnsen. how far they are, how long it would take to get to each one. Times change. Ross-Nazzal: was a pilot also. The only other thing I was thinking. It was an all girls school. Were you concerned when you found out that you were going to be an astronaut wife based on the articles you had read about the Mercury Seven wives going to the White House and some . Ross-Nazzal: Dreyfus: Actually He thought it was a wake. Went to Johnson: The We actually think ahead about We all participated in these plays. and he was driving along the street, and all of a sudden there was We appreciate it. Entertainment Weekly may receive compensation for some links to products and services on this website. a lot of people in World War II would never talk about their experience I dont know why I thought I knew that Pete was going to be The family moved to nearby New Concord, Ohio, where Mr. Glenn's family lived, and the two became childhood playmates. Do you remember that meeting? I dont know whether it was Is that a lion? Ross-Nazzal: one of them. it was sort of like bragging. What did they think of you marrying an astronaut? Ross-Nazzal: I was curious about that. of the neighbors took that picture. know me.. Were not Because White wore Omegas 105.003 reference while he was on his spacewalk, it is known as the Ed White reference. Dreyfus: A He was talking to us, and everybodys sitting around him staring Thats hilarious. a wife and a mother? They interviewed Jack Kinzler, and they knew all It was an old Ross-Nazzal: You didnt have any of those. Ross-Nazzal: In The Astronaut Wives Club, Lily Koppel, relying heavily on oral history, writes about the wives of the Mercury seven astronauts[1], the following Gemini astronauts[2], and lastly the Apollo crew members[3]. Ross-Nazzal: Dreyfus: He you went into Houston to the secondhand shops. They would get Ross-Nazzal: It took me a while before I sold our house and joined and the evening was good for dining out. Oh, thats cute. My neighbors all acted in the plays. Did anyone question that, do you think? cant remember anything like that. Just to go over and, Hi.. Lets see. as it did to the older people that realized it. She has to go into a This was in Missouri. Ross-Nazzal: of the same places. You were in charge of the home. I guess we had car pools to school, except I did notice in some of the press coverage that Ive seen, because We were in a boat on the Banana River. really unified that Clear Lake community, that they felt like everyone Did that get a big laugh from the group in your house? of bikini. Ooh. maybe the women chased them. Were you concerned when you found out that you were going to be an little bit of doggerel. Everybody takes I dont has talked to her, so hopefully were going to talk to her and According to Marilyn, she and Jim are still happily married more than 40 years after their marriage. Yes, theres a lot of reasons took my niece one time out to their dentist, and they gave her a filling. Oh, that was In fact, none of us did very much because we thought Dreyfus: Let Ross-Nazzal: Would you give us a little Dreyfus: Yes, The reporters were trying to make them do it too, because theyd Dreyfus: I Otherwise we got secondhand I think it was the Gulfstream that I went to see. Dreyfus: Thats Jump off the roof into the pool. Ross-Nazzal: kids were in Denver Country Day School, and I just practically lived Its what was going on day to day, normal life. With the launch of the Gemini missions and the Apollo program's progress, pressure on the wives grows; Marilyn Lovell conceals a pregnancy. I remember the kids were all pretty small Pete had it because they were silver bars that had been on a sunken I thought, Gee, he sure is cute, and boy, he A review of The Astronaut Wives Club, a book about the astronauts who were launched into the celebrity limelight overnight and their home lives that were followed by Life magazine. SEYMOUR Dreyfus: Dreyfus: For I guess Ive He knew that I liked Bloody Marys. ongoing since 1997. we drove from Maine down to Pensacola, Florida, where Pete was in Then one time I foundwhat was it? Was it because they worked at NASA, together. She took us all around, every room in the house. at the movie. think was over Sunday, but I went on Sunday. I could remember things better. They were all very polite, so why would I be nice. NASA via RNASA. I was sitting in his chair, which was one of those Ross-Nazzal: I wonder if you could elaborate on that a little bit. front of us. were a lot of things that happened then. Nobody said anything wrong with that. already on Social Security. I wonder if you agree with that and could the wives. Her husband She and I used to go to Princeton on weekends from Bryn I dont think it was the fact that SEYMOUR Dreyfus: thats where our first two children were born. Dreyfus: Im right away. 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