Basically the system doesn't work intermittently, where the control box indicated that it is watering normally but it in fact is not. G'Day sprinklerkid_australia --- Your Armada Tech clamp meter is trying to read milliamps at 35 VAC and 1.2 Hertz. All Hunter ICD decoders have a single copper grounding wire. That is the "wire" that would be connected to earth ground. If the decoder (s) look damaged from surge, disconnect them from the 2-wire path and check the amperage at the controller. This is done by going to "Advanced Features", "Decoder Functions", "Check ADM Current". WebWith the clamp meter check the lead wire of the decoder to make sure the cause is not a failed decoder. That's the valve wire after the decoder, not the decoder wire. Check battery display or retry with USB power if available. Greenhouse, Nursery, and Open-Field Irrigation, EZ-1 Decoder Diagnostics and Troubleshooting. i also replace every connections with the 2 wires running to all the decoders. I will be in the office the rest of the week. ?t5Za')i6/3^mAa` B@9xkWJIj#vc$lsv$ $ac9]zruP!53yT)Ek8k~oF2|jS(KzwR%~qQPxS*=[{n{;GCNBRq;4E+ajt'b34vII +sa:fKJ A failed decoder may read 500-600 mA over that decoders lead wires. If there is no problem with the decoder lead wires, then split the connections for the 2-wire path. Trace and mark the 2-wire path using a 501 or 521 if necessary. Connect the Pulser to the 2-wire path that is isolated from the controller. Thanks for any help. One of my location have a hunter acc 2 wire. To read decoder information: Manually activate the desired station to energize the two-wire path. WebHunter ACC Decoders. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. I am troubleshooting a Hunter ACC 2 wire decoder system and could use some advice. Display backlight will reduce battery life. can we get the Federal Express guy to teach a half-day class? Start station with MV from controller or remote. To stop the chatter, press the soft key again, or it will stop by itself after 30 minutes. Check flow sensor wiring. nothing works. I have replaced the decoder module and I am experiencing the same problem. I remember reading the phrase "electronic circuit breaker" in product descriptions when the glass fuses and mechanical circuit breakers were no longer included with sprinkler controllers. If you are going to maintain 2-wire systems, you want to have a clamp-around "leakage meter" that can read the milliamp currents drawn by the decoders. If successful, it will display the Dec I love the product. O.k, you're holding the phone in one hand and the notebook in the other..how do you write? When the Start button is pressed, the controller will chatter the solenoid for up to 30 minutes. http://blog.circuitprotection.com/bwitch-device-and-when-to-use-a-fuse-te-talks/, http://blog.circuitprotection.com/bwitch-device-and-when-to-use-a-fuse-TE-talks/, http://www.underhillonline.net/Faulting_Transformer_p/transfrmr-240.htm, http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/ACC_Flash_Update_Instructions.pdf. This seems serious enough for the big kahuna to do a site visit. WebEZDT - EZ-1 Decoder Diagnostics and Troubleshooting. http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/ACC_Flash_Update_Instructions.pdf, http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/acc_v5.11.020_xp.zip, http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/DG_DecoderDesignGuide_dom.pdf. If I have a great video by an engineer named Barry Brents he explains when to use poly switching and when you might not want to. Reduce timer or turn off backlight display. If the Err message is not present, the problem is with the valve or A technician can then listen for the underground noise to locate the selected solenoid. Ex distributor and a big fan of Hunter 2 wire. Thank you very much, I will be calling Hunter Support tomorrow. Success! 3 0 obj Rod says that Hunter ICD decoders should draw 3.5 to 4ma. Ditto on the classy rep. Those are posts well worth saving. Greenhouse, Nursery, and Open-Field Irrigation. Each modules electrical current is shown. Come join the discussion about performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more! Make sure power is on to controller. Web1:00:00 EZ Decoder Diagnostics. Verify that the two wire path is connected to the controller, and that controller power is A condensed version might be possible in your area. 2. When the program doesn't run, the "module/line activity" light is rapidly blinking red. JavaScript is disabled. XhArBLfR6+$!$/}^T%]'N$xRP:D,d_c GuC`5PC.7|/$C. endobj A failed decoder may read 500-600 mA over that decoders lead wires. Any luck using self-resetting polyfuses instead of conventional glass fuses? Press the Station Finder soft key, and select the station number to locate. I have chatted a few times with hunter support and with the local hunter rep but I figured I would try a different perspective. I'd say a helper would be handy. If it is there for a long period of time, the ICD-HP is retrying due to communication failures. here what ive done first i went threw with my wire locater to check for broken wires and located all the valves. great post & replies.. very helpful stuff. 1:01:06 Tools for Troubleshooting. To read decoder information: Two beeps will sound, and decoder information will be displayed. I looked up curves when it seemed like I would have to upsize a fuse in a solid state controller in order to accommodate two valves on a zone, in a controller only rated for one. All rights reserved. First, I invite you to call Tech Service at 800-733-2823 to help get this resolved. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. Most manufacturers use a diagnostic circuit breaker on the triac/output side of things. When 12 comes on there shouldn't be any measurable current on the same wire on the 11 valve. This is a common diagnostic technique to find shorts to earth ground. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Check two-wire path and controller power. So here's the recap guys: Success! Copyright 2023 Hunter Industries. nothing works. Y1-XBL)~\d1on4a*NkHIcOB\pMEw4pl>=U`S&bSh 9umf,[$ctNKXle5I<5~8[y!ofCO]myN 'T,]>V 7T% Greenhouse, Nursery, and Open-Field Irrigation. I should have mentioned my own research about polyswitches was not about their being primary protection in this application, but for use in another aspect of valve operation by remote controllers. When stations are running (Active), the total current is updated to show the power used by the solenoids. JavaScript is disabled. I will check on it. @lP-s 67#R }*]xg6Q+DTp J'rY{y The Decoder Design Guide isn't super great for troubleshooting but it does help clarify things graphically: reps and sponsors could learn a lot from your posts, once a product has been introduced quit selling and help when help is needed. When troubleshooting is finished, press the soft key again to turn off the 60 Hz wire test mode. Make sure you have a clampmeter and notebook in your hands, I can't tell you how portant they both are. Troubleshooting Decoder-Based Irrigation Systems Regency Wire & Cable 3.86K subscribers Subscribe 230 Share 40K views 5 years ago Learn how to Is that true? 1.5 Amp, fused, with alligator clips, Hi tlawn86 - I work for Hunter and don't jump in here often, so I hope this is okay. Some of us employ self-healing transformer technology which may use a poly-switch or other resettable device. Any current-limiting circuitry would serve as transformer protection as well as triac protection. Sometimes it works perfectly fine. If the LED on the decoder is not blinking green, ensure the station is active, checkthe two-wire path and wire connections, and repeatsteps 1 & 2. The station finder will chatter a selected station to help locate a solenoid in the field by listening. Disconnect the 2-wire path (s) from the controller. I previously distributed Hunter here in Aus and they are a brilliant company. I was at the Golf Industry Show in San Diego all day. WebSolution Check controller power to two-wire path, or connect power leads to decoder. Come join the discussion about performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more! Decoder will not respond after firmware update. :clapping: Hey Pops, you ever hear of speaker phone or earbuds? The decoder may be damaged. Do not leave ClikTM Output Tester or Flow Output. Not sure how their fuse size compares to the actual transformer ratings. <>/Font<>/ProcSet[/PDF/Text/ImageB/ImageC/ImageI] >>/MediaBox[ 0 0 612 792] /Contents 4 0 R/Group<>/Tabs/S/StructParents 0>> The * is letting the user know that the ICD-HP is in process of communicating with the decoder. also there i also replace every connections with the 2 wires running to all the decoders. Operating large numbers Check Power Supply Board status light. Thank you. Check the voltage on the output of the decoder. I have a few oversize control transformers with actual fuseholders. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. I'm an avid user of Hunter products here in Aus. Sounds weird, but you need a 24 VAC transformer. EZ-DT is Hunters new Easy Decoder Diagnostic Tool that makes troubleshooting the EZ-DS system even easier. A forum community dedicated to lawn care and landscaping professionals and enthusiasts. The curves I read showed there was a little bit of wiggle room (very little). Select Diagnostics with the arrows, and press Mode to Press the Mode ill ask for you next time you really know your stuff.. HunterTekGeek 1. 1:15:16 Types of Problems. I think it isn't posted online because it needs updating. Konapride - U da Man! % The AC current will drop sharply between two points on the wire path, if the short circuit or fault to earth is between them. Master Valve not on (station solenoid is on, but no water). If Sprinkus, nice job on providing the Decoder Troubleshooting Guide. STEP 1: Verify Station Fault Remove the field wire for the faulted station. How to use a clamp-meter to troubleshoot: 1. Current is very helpful in troubleshooting field wiring conditions. WebOpen the controller inner door to see additional diagnostic information on the DUAL48M display. I like barry he uses a white board which I like and dry erase markers which I love, ill post a link if i can find it. It helps us both when you are in front of the controller when we speak. endobj WebDetect faults and perform electrical troubleshooting in the field without uninstalling decoders Quickly read decoder status, station address, current draw, and two-wire voltage to simplify maintenance Program decoder station address via wired connection to speed up installation and save time on-site dEZ$eo4#tWY)[ 1BqH M9 7HB37(.eFyTg%!Rppe8M'CJ_*uN%! Hunter does have an "ACC Decoder System Troubleshooting Guide", although I can't find a link to it anywhere on their website. All rights reserved. 6u-B*v?!kTBiqGx]%L(lJR%C%JT|JN](lW*M(q0sN)M3Z>.l&Zhg_v|w4(`yNId8Ui@IOPfMaUKZHTLjnJQZ\`{YAQ$t"k$HiYv;|bXr`-p J#[(iiq:;?-+&gj"tw0 ,x n(p.d0ib=J%UXSeRn2 LM %%]*WI@NT. Whats the next step? To view this page in a different language, please select from the list below. Check system for leaks and malfunctions. All diagnostic functions are completed via wireless communication between the EZ-DT and EZ-1 decoders. Why don't you just buy your controllers from dealers instead of off the back of a truck in the middle of the night. WebTroubleshoot wire breaks, nicks, damage, and shorts Solve issues with wires, valves and locating decoders Assists with set-up and product recommendations Supports all 2-wire A forum community dedicated to lawn care and landscaping professionals and enthusiasts. Read the resistance of the wire pair that connects the two decoders together. The readings should be between 0-60 depending on distance between decoders (see decoder wire resistance chart). If connection/wiring breaks are not visible, then use a cable tracer to track the wire issue. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. WebThe bottom of the decoder (the end with no wires) should be within the programming cup. Copyright 2023 Hunter Industries. Disconnect the 2-wire path (s) from the controller. Manually activate the desired station to energize the two-wire path. HCC Manual Operation. Awesome sps2868. 2 0 obj 2. Weba defective solenoid, 2) defective field wiring, or 3) poor wire connections. I thought I was the only nerd regarding 2 wire. nothing works. The wire test will place a 60 Hz frequency on all output modules and their two-wire paths, to allow wire tracking and fault finding with a standard AC current clamp meter. If the decoder reading fails, a red X will appear in the display. I will also explore a shorted solenoid. Check battery display or 1:09:06 System Troubleshooting. Check flow sensor setup. Only looked it up a few days ago, and found the LTC1153 as a top result. Dual/Pilot decoder not recognized by hand held. My Armada clamp meter shows 1.5ma on my ICD100 decoders. The display may show Press the Mode (center) button on the DUAL48M control panel. Sounds weird, but you need a 24 VAC transformer. Check with your local sales rep and request a class. One of my location have a hunter acc 2 wire. Woo-Hoo! I have only gotten the problem to show itself for me once, that was today after installing the new module. <> here what ive done first i went threw with my wire locater to check for broken wires and located all the valves. WebMake sure both slide locks are closed. and the error code i get is "overcurrent" or "no comm" Does any one have any ideas. Start the controller manually. Check controller power to two-wire path, or connect power leads to decoder. Woo-Hoo! Thanks to all for the kind words. Been installing it for around 6 years now and its the best. stream ICC2 Manual Operation. Verify flow limits and delays allow for some variation. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. 1:27:03 <> Decoder is powered from ICD-HP power leads. One of my location have a hunter acc 2 wire. EZ-DT: Decoder Programming You WebAttempt to turn on the decoder from the controller (Manual Single Station or ICR remote). Rod your a big help.. when i called hunter support last thursday the rep i talked to was just reading a book and didnt know a clue what i was talking about almost. ICD-HP will not communicate with decoder. and the error code i get is "overcurrent" or "no comm" Does any one have any ideas. Check Programming Cup connection to decoder and ICD-HP. That Jim Guy said: Rather than seeing 10.5-12.0 ma you should be getting about 4.5 at the 3rd decoder. The ICD-HP will check for a decoder. I have a question relating to this post and a job we are on at the moment. 1:24:23 The Half Method. Select. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Program dummy station numbers into decoder. All diagnostic functions are completed via wireless communication between the EZ-DT and EZ-1 decoders. When the Start button is pressed, the controller will chatter the solenoid for up to 30 minutes. here what ive done first i went threw with my wire locater to check for broken wires and located all the valves. The clamp-meter will give accurate readings. In a diagnostics situation be aware their will be measurable current where their will none in a traditionally open circuit. Otherwise data history only shows "power outage" and "power restore" due to the homeowner shutting off the breaker, which he says 'almost' always allows the box to work properly. Know most of the Hunter guys in San Marcos. 4 0 obj Otherwise I have been going by what the homeowner is telling me. Hunter does have an "ACC Decoder System Troubleshooting Guide", although I can't find a link to it anywhere on their website. if more reps reacted to product concerns the way you do Rod i believe they would received much better on this or any forum. Konapride - Did you call Hunter today? 1.5 Amp, fused, with alligator clips, with the primary wired to a pigtail. I hate to disappoint 1idejim, but no Speedos were used or harmed during this operation. There will be more online material in the future. It helps us both when you are in front of the controller when we speak. 19 yrs & counting. I feel like I am beating this to death. i also replace every connections with the 2 wires running to all the decoders. also there are 22 stations. Hunter have been exceptional with their service over the years. Position the EZ-DT and EZ-1 decoder as shown in the display. The decoder will not respond after a firmware update, Dual/Pilot decoder not recognized by handheld. Check with your local sales rep and request a class. and the error code i get is "overcurrent" or "no comm" Does any one have any ideas. endobj First, I invite you to call Tech Service at 800-733-2823 to help get this resolved. In other words, if you try to use a clamp meter on "native" power, normal controller power, it likely will not read accurately. If the voltage did not change, verify that ACC-99D uses two-wire decoders to control up to 99 stations without giving up the arsenal of features provided by the ACC. Thanks for your patience. JavaScript is disabled. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Of course, the primary design concern for controllers is probably going to be to have triacs that can handle the entire output of the supply transformer up to its internal fuse opening point. Or are we taking those with the same grains of salt we employ when looking at sprinkler head performance charts? Hi tlawn86 - I work for Hunter and don't jump in here often, so I hope this is okay. xnH j"0 5xvyeY&B^RU}j5,WWu| ?Dy2)Q()F)aY@S8bAZDx]r|zy|hWl>V&vrU>%eD/ay2qlH&O}MHV- 0h$X>#e|:>6 ? Check Programming Cup connection to decoder and ICD-HP. I have better luck using a 24 VAC signal. Overflow messages. WebMove the pointer with the arrow buttons at the Main Menu screen to Program Decoder and press Next . Wont read flow. However there have only been two fault messages, each for a random zone (19,22) stating "comm" error. Come join the discussion about performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more! My Armada clamp meter shows 1.5ma on my ICD100 decoders. When no stations are running (Inactive), this shows the standby current draw of idle decoders on the two-wire path. School of hard knocks. I scheduled with the homeowner for Friday morning, so I will be calling at 8am Hawaii time this friday. Example of using glass fuse holders on ADM. Any luck using self-resetting polyfuses instead of conventional glass fuses? Can we trust electronic component curves? When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. A forum community dedicated to lawn care and landscaping professionals and enthusiasts. Sorry tlawn86 - The 2-day decoder class is currently held in San Marcos, CA. %PDF-1.5 if more reps reacted to product concerns the way you do Rod i believe they would received much better on this or any forum. also there are 22 stations. Sorry. <>>> For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. All rights reserved. 5[@l$w ZIeQ|"+m}Z Poly switches allow current leakage and their ability to remain active is limited. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/ACC_Flash_Update_Instructions.pdf, http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/DG_DecoderDesignGuide_dom.pdf, http://www.turf-digital.com/Jul2011/South#&pageSet=12&page=0. The Diagnostics screen displays an overview of the electrical status of each installed output module, plus additional functions. Rod says that Hunter ICD decoders should draw 3.5 to 4ma. Repeat firmware update steps and allow to complete. It's easy enough to spec triacs in a controller that will operate on the safe side of a glass fuse curve. w?Lhq ?N~5kd>wkSrzPq$`p_PD8q Copyright 2023 Hunter Industries. WebPress the Station Finder soft key, and select the station number to locate. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. A technician can then listen for the underground noise to locate the selected solenoid. 1 0 obj Hi guys.
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