(the link to their blog is currently on the upper left hand side of the page): When you first commented on here, I was prepared to hear you out I know someone personally who has fetishes, and hes admitted to me that can be a struggle for him in his marriage. And it just baffles me that getting hit makes your marriage closer. Even the words used I think make some women question whether it is wrong or not. But I do not want a day when people wake up confused because women rights have been flushed down the toilets. What was it like in my Patriarchal home, you ask? Finally, Daisy be more Christ-like; keep your nose out of my bedroom. Isnt bullying between two consenting children? I wanted to know how did Lauren get from the point where wife spanking was considered normal to the place where she said, THIS IS WRONG it is ABUSE!. Do not expect her to be silent through this experience though. God was saying that, in our post-paradisal state, spousal relationships would become much harder, in part because many men would be tempted to become abusive and domineering. what happens if your HOH does something? It is not for you to determine someones path of recovery. Does the power differential matter? I find joy in being a submissive wife. Maybe youve experienced a lot, maybe youve seen a lot, and this experience has lead you to be more emotional than rational and to err on the wrong side of history. _Benevolent sexism: Men who open doors for women can be as sexist as those who are rude to them, study finds_. I found an old post of yours from last year. Meanwhile, what Jesus called the two most important commandments are completely ignored. Sorry Daisy, I forgot. I was terrified! Im an adult who is in control of her own life. [redacted] mentioned a previous domestic violence incident that was reported by [redacted] on 06/01/2011, at approximately 2302 hours. Nope, cant go there anymore. People are lost and growing frustrated). It really is that good. Hi, I read some of these odd comments about the bible, written by men in this case perverted old patriarchs. Are you able to support yourself okay? Enjoy each others smug, judgmental company. Watts' first-hand experience of Fundamentalist Christian male dominance is pretty sobering. I think there were many times two which I was so disobedient that my parents would have not known what to do unless they had given me a spanking and set me straight. I know for a long time I did not consider myself a battered or abused wife. Doesnt look like 50 Shades of Grey is going to be well-received around here! Until I moved out, both her and my father spanked me, although he did most of it. What do you mean by Feminist site? Youve also been influenced by perverse secular culture. It really is that good. This is a tool among others, people do not hit as a substitute for talking unlike what you suggest. I get the feeling that LV may be a man trying to pass itself off as a woman. JULY 1, 2015 @ 8:50 AM Is it Fair for A Fat Christian Man to Expect His Wife to RemainFit? So without knowing it, the type of extreme feminism you promote is currently working toward its own destruction. I can remember being a little girl (probably middle school age) and hearing someone tell me the Scripture in Ephesians that calls women to submit to their husbands. . . Not commenting on the way you cherry pick Bible verses out of context to make them confirm what they do not even talk about. 1Cor 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. I totally respect that your religious view (whether or not you consider yourself atheists, this really is a religious decision, a lifestyle choice), I totally respect that your religious view may be equality-driven feminist relationships. From what I can tell, Jamin remains a member in good standing at Doug Wilsons church. To correct bad behavior, and when done biblically, it isnt wrong to spank a wife. Is it a Sin for a Christian Not to Live a HealthyLifestyle. There might be an Ok, you know I want these things done and all week you have slacked off, you have until tomorrow (or tonight or whatever) and I will remind you if I have to, but he has never had to. And then to quote half of 1Cor 7:4! I asked [redacted] how it made her feel emotionally, if she was scared for her life. We left and started the long drive to my parents house and after about an hour I started again. So if not understanding DD is not understanding justice then you are already acknowledging that DD is non-consensual. As for other men, besides the father to spank her, that isnt right. The last paragraph of Laurens e-mail revealed her parentssided with Laurens husband and believed her to be disobedient to her husband. Does that make bullying okay? Jesus Christ did away with male rulership over women and clarified that women are equals to men. But I have come to believe that there was a form of CDD/DD in the days of the bible. Ive dated a few, been engaged to one. Are you insisting that your reading of these passages is the only possible correct one? I dont think I have the right to question how my husband corrects me. It is interesting to note that a our lone wolf twister of Scripture is not content to merely advocate for and justify the abuse of wives (again, all application of coercive authority is abuse). If you are currently living (or have lived) the Christian Domestic Discipline lifestyle and you would like to share how it has helped your marriage or relationship, please email your story and mention that you wish to share your experiences with other people. Anyone who can inspire such bitterness in us still has a hold over us. You get all edgy. I can see from your posts that you have major issues with men, but please dont filter the Bible through your own experiences. Its perverse secular culture which advocates and promoted S&M kinky bedroom games not the Bible. But yes, you do have the right to not contact them at all, or seriously restrict it. And the whole of Christian Eastern Europe and Russia. This 3. My husband and I would be considered rather boring by most people. Im wondering what their thoughts were on it? Months later, I finally reported on the topic of wife spanking in this article:The Christian Patriarchy Movements Dark Secret of WifeSpanking. Sometimes Ben thinks I need to be spanked everyday, when I forget that I am supposed to be the submissive one. Under our Resources tab at A Cry For Justice we have a page with links for Hotlines: On the one hand, they are too arbitrary (why should the age of consent be 15 and not 16 or 22, or even 30 especially since you suggest that even adults can be tricked into domestic discipline. Not only do their wives accept the particular program of domestic discipline that I teach but through this particular domestic discipline program these husbands have achieved 100 percent submission from their wives. Then stop discussing it here and promoting it. We were soon an item and when marriage started to be a clear part of our future, I nervously brought up the subject of CDD. This may help you win a popularity contest in this community, but if you really are a spiritual man and aspire to justice, I would quote Proverbs 28:5 : Evil men do not understand justice, But those who seek the LORD understand all things. Honestly I feel like I feel like these testimonials are written by perverts mostly old men who never had have been married or just absolutely disgusting men who are trying to make this normal I dont think these are actually written by real people actually experiencing this mess because quite honestly I would hope if you were that much of a Christian, that much in a head of household relationship your husband would not be comfortable with you describing your sore, red bottom if so he is as much of a pervert as that Pastor was. [redacted] said Jamin is very controlling. For anything can be labelled an abuse with this method. It is insidious that this practice has continued in the name of God and Christianity. Yes, many Muslims and Hindus follow male headship. But God does miracles and he can deal with your pain, as bad as it is. He is very particular about how he runs his household, his likes and dislikes. Ben also has no problem spanking me long after I start to cry. When the policeman is at the door because the neighbors heard the wife screaming in pain, does she say all is well because it is truly an egalitarian, consensual relation, or does she say all is well because she knows that he is going to physically hurt her, or her kids or her family or whatever. I looked up the Bible scriptures that are used as examples those Bible scriptures are not saying for your husband to hit you its saying spare the rod and spoil the child, CHILD being the operative word not spare the rod and spoil your wife. Wifes getting spanked like being spanked. My husband is in seminary to be a music minister and I noticed that he doesnt spank me like he used to. They told me that I needed to do a better job of obeying and not being disrespectful or difficult and told me I needed to pray more to be a better wife. You are, by your writing, an intelligent adult. The ones who claim they enjoy it have psychological issues, but its not due to wanting to be abused that is sick. So people actually choose to add their prefered dose of physical disciplining to leverage these psychological effects, it is an extra tool they use as part of their commitment to make things work with regards to the shared vision they have for their life (in which you have no business). I can see from your posts that you have major issues with men, Some men are sexist, selfish, or abusive pigs. As a matter of fact, I get yelled at on occasion by homosexual marriage supporters on other sites for politely stating I disagree with how homosexual marriage supporters bully those they disagree with over the homosexual marriage topic.). Men who push the defend women because women are little delicate flowers view rarely to never actually defend women. This wife did not like getting spanked. . God made us women to serve and obey our husbands because he knows they needed help mates. They like their wrists held, maybe, or even being tied to the bed. Still, and some may think I have gone way to far out on a limb here, I believe the misogynists you identify are not Christians. Your desire to lord authority over your wife and get off on that and doing kinky acts in the bedroom is your personal preference, it is not biblical. I was also grounded for a month. I do not agree with your philosophies and fixes, but I feel no drive or desire to label you as mentally sick. I cannot begin to identify with you in your suffering. (There are no passages that support spanking. In the case you need to discipline your wife while on a voyage, you know you can do so without attracting attention. The church needs to know this is going on. BeenThereDoneThat: Ive heard that put-down of those who quote scripture before. I cant remember if you said how long you were married. [redacted] is originally from England and is unfamiliar with local laws and believed Jamin. No, no previous assumptions, just submitting to the plain word of God will do for me. So-called Christian domestic discipline occurs in a marriage when one or both partners use biblical support to rationalize an unscriptural and un-Christian lifestyle. Or are women and little girls suppose to hurt to make Christian men feel good, I lived this life, it hurts so much. Your views are not applicable and do not work for women who are in poverty, who live in other nations, and who are never-married, widowed, infertile, divorced. We continue to call it abuse, despite the fact that it happens between two consenting* adults, and we continue to prosecute those teachers who abuse their students. And let me be clear what I mean by 100 percent submission. Here are some tidbits of the arrest report: [redacted] told me Jamin has a couple of different hunting rifles, a couple of shot guns, a Glock pistol and another silver pistol. I can see from your posts that you have major issues with men, but please dont filter the Bible through your own experiences. How boring. In addition, they were ostracized by the faith community which was one of the few means of assistance for the poor. It contains articles on spanking in marriage, as well as advice on leading the home. There is a judge and there is a criminal, the judge proclaims a sentence against the criminal which is carried out. A question to everyone here: If a man treats his sex partner as a child he should discipline, does that make him a quasi-paedophile? It was then agreed upon that my Tuesday spanking would be given at our counseling session, so they could see Bens progress. They are not like traditional couples who improvise a relationship and work it out on the go. May we all be "wounded healers" who do no harm. When the man takes charge and makes really good, well-thought-out (and prayed for) decisions, its pretty easy for 2. Modern psychology openly approves homosexuality. And he would sometimes spout off this genteel junk about how men should be nice to ladies. Eph 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. And Junia, may God bless her, doesnt do it. When I was a little girl, I was a quiet little sweetheart who was pleasing to be around. Then my dad and my husband had coffee while I stood in the corner and dad talked to my husband about being head of household. However you are not free to force your religious views on others. Ben and I agreed, but I wasnt sure how effective it would be, as Ben wasnt a good spanker. In the case you need to discipline your wife while on a voyage, you know you can do so without attracting attention. Our church is now my original church, and my bottom is now sore when ever it is needed to be. It isnt called getting hit. She will need to learn some self-control with not crying out, or bite a pillow to keep quiet. How about at your own home growing up, was your mother spanked? Elijah did not begin by being arrogant, dogmatic, self-congratulating and dismissive (like you have been in this discussion). I wouldnt say the link I gave was to a feminist site so much as it is a Christian egalitarian site, the two not being the same thing. On the opposite, I hope that we will maintain an environment in which we can all live our lives in our own terms, however this obviously doesnt seem to be your agenda, you seem decided to fix society and down-look at people who think in a way radically different than you. Watts' first-hand experience of Fundamentalist Christian male dominance is pretty sobering. Please, please, JA and Serving, do not receive this comment as condemnation, or even as criticism. If you are currently living (or have lived) the Christian Domestic Discipline lifestyle and you would like to share how it has helped your marriage or relationship, please email your story and mention that you wish to share your experiences with other people. Just 3% of those (thats 0.1% of Americans) went to Africa and Eastern Europe isnt even mentioned: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/william-d-chalmers/the-great-american-passpo_b_1920287.html, Gary W: As a sexually abused little girl growing up in misogynistic Christianity I always felt like god was my pimp. [redacted] said Jamin has used pornography as a means of punishment towards [redacted]. States have laws limiting marriage of close relatives. I take it that you are a man pretending to be a woman. Oh, come on, JA; Daisy of course speaks for all of us, which is why Daisy debates many of us, I believe myself included. The article talked about it being abusive to spank children up to adulthood, but why is it only abusive if it is done up to adulthood. And you seem to see yourself not as a good child, a child of the light, but as a dark child. the problem with domestic discipline, as with teacher/student sexual assault is that it is improbable that there was true consent. The size difference between you and he is considerable and would be very threatening. WebThen I went to college and met my husband James, and became a Christian. I was in such a relationship for a while. The truth is that I rarely disagree with household or DD decisions that he makes. As a right wing, social conservative, I disagree with most secular left wing feminism. In the Garden, the serpent went over the woman, she went over her husband, and he went over God. I was engaged to a man for several years. As a society have always restricted what two consenting adults can do. Im giving this to couple famous authors who write books on abuse and see what they want to do with (one has Radio)! So: Do you see both yourself and your partner as people who need physical discipline? I was sternly told by my husband to go to the bathroom because we needed to talk. Because people are increasingly dissatisfied by the standard domestic arrangements proposed by social scientists are looking for alternative arrangements more in line with human nature. I have never married. And with that final parting shot, we can all say good bye and good riddance to Lone Voice. Always portraying women as feeble-minded helpless victims is the worst kind of infantilization. Continue reading. Did Lauren and her husband have any connections withthe Patriarchy Movement? How does a husband exert authority over a woman? Hes not a victim, hes a kinky dude with odd underwear. I would be fine with the term myself if used in that manner, but the word feminism unfortunately is usually associated with left wing, radical types who tend to do things like support abortion, and a lot of them vote Democrat. The professionals in DV services are trained (or should be trained!) He/she was saying that men truly working with the wisdom of God understand everything, both Gods justice, and the theories of their counterparts, rather than only understanding their own theories and thinking that everybody else is a fool (like you do). Get the joke now? Do you have a problem with that? I know it will be very, very enlightening to many people. The criminal has relinquished consent by the act that requires justice. This practice is about two consenting adults who are free to leave the relationship at any time, period. 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. Then look up, Gods Original Plan for Marital Roles: Christian Domestic Discipline / Spencer Respect and Submission in domestic discipline Respect and Submission are of particular importance in a marriage because the standard marriage vows for the bride always included the phrase to love, honor and obey her husband. Update (12/28/15): previously, there were two YouTube videos posted of Dr. Phils showposted here. Because of his behavior with no rage, just an expectancy of needing to control you, it makes me think this was normal within his background or upbringing. That is the irony. his God-given authority and actually lead.. Previously I have shown Domestic Discipline to be both a Biblical concept as well as a historical practice amongst husbands for thousands of years on my Instagram page @biblicalsexandiscipline and on my blog Biblicalgenderroles.com as well as podcasts Let these people do their thing. Christian Domestic Discipline / Spencer Respect and Submission in domestic discipline Respect and Submission are of particular importance in a marriage because the standard marriage vows for the bride always included the phrase to love, honor and obey her husband. I dont know how wide-spread the practice was, but I remember my parents had no problem threatening me with discipline where other people from our church were within earshot and dont remember ever hearing any kind of shock or outrage from anyone else. We were told that it was biblicalto spank our teenagers, even ones who were overlegal adulthood. Its happenin. He began by making a case for many years. Isnt bullying between two consenting children? The thing is that he never raged. Modern psychology approves a surgeon cutting off a guys penis, surgically creating a fake vagina, and will then prescribe estrogen hormones for the dude to look like a lady. And the whole of the Christian Far East. The best part of domestic discipline is what has happened emotionally between this long-time married couple. As one who is more inclined to the pursuit of justice, which I take to be included as an aspect of righteousness, my potential reward no doubt pales in comparison to the reward awaiting Julie Anne, Serving Kids in Japan, and all the other peacemakers here. And so many selfish, heartless, sexually sadistic Areal Castro centric Christian men are telling women they cant refuse their husbands sex. My life changed when I was 31. It makes complete sense that someone raised in this culture would extend it to domestic abuse. In my former church, we were taught by our pastor that civil laws regarding adulthood did not apply when it came to disciplining children in our homes. Careful, Julie Anne, true alpha females dont go over the top. If you find a bad doctor you dont rubbish the whole of medicine. Well, to hell with him. It feels right and the way it should be.It has made a difference in our lives in a big way. Meredith, learningdd.com, 3. When I read you, I see sincere people suffering sort of post-traumatic disorder. Only to find out that my husband has talked to my father about this lifestyle and has his blessing. Im not a Jew living in Israel in 5,000 B.C. He absolutely WILL be back. Lets treat adults like adult and lets avoid the temptation of playing the role of God. Many of the verses youve quoted to support your position can be interpreted in more than one way. God told the Israelites to pass laws and enforce them. . It is not a defense of Domestic Discipline. Beware of your own Post-Traumatic Disorders and aspire to respect individual freedoms in general and freedom of religion in particular. At least thats his justification but this is far far more severe than spankings. Youll get prayers and someone standing with you to get rid of the bad stuff and move on. We have been together since I was 15. At first I couldnt believe that women were advocating being spanked by their husbands and submitting fully to their authority.
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