It's very reassuring to carry in areas full of Grizzlys and wolves when elk hunting. And thus, we have it. Lots of brush, big tough animals (game is to respectful for those vermin), and the need to not any get away if avoidable. For shooters who live in AWB states, having Beowulf-only magazines may be an advantage. In contrast, the 450 Bushmaster was developed using the 284 Winchester as a parent case and has the longest case length at 1.70. Especially for folks like me who HATE tracking. Although factory loads can be a little pricey for these big bore AR rounds, handloading is one method shooters utilize to reduce their overall cost per round. Bear hunting or protection? Our buddy Dave describes the .50 slug, especially the HP, as a flying ashtray. And I have to believe that .45-70 Government factory ammunition is much more readily available at local stores than .50 Beowulf. Hi I got A Davidson Defense Nitride Finish BCG 7.6239 for my complete upper pistol kit,So my bolt will work or not with both of them? Shooting hundreds of rounds in a single range session from such a powerful rifle is not my idea of a great time, but it isnt torture. One new winner* is announced every week! I bought one of Mr. Alexanders early .50 Beowulfs, and Im here to tell you, theyre a ton of fun. Well, color me slightly skeptical. The actual order went right through and the gun arrived quickly so I am happy. I have a few blackouts , a 458 socom and a 50 beowulf . However, as any AR-15 rifle is a potential host with a simple barrel, bolt, and magazine change, this means there are a lot of potential rifles on the market for all three cartridges. Thought a Beretta shotgun was out of your budget? While at modest ranged the big 50 Beowulf dominates the energy category, the 30-30 is also bested by the 6.5 Grendel but not that not by much. The Beowulf clocks in with 18 to 30 with most ammunition coming in around 25 foot-pounds. Interestingly they also produce a cartridge using the Inceptor ARX 200-grain bullet. CR42 Hunting 7.5K subscribers Subscribe 1.1K Share 50K views 1 year ago 308 vs 50 Beowulf - penetration test. *Must have a registered ARFCOM account to win. He changed the bolt dimension/head space to leave a little more metal in the lug area which means they wont head space properly when mixed (AA bolt, other bbl or AA bbl and other 7.6239 bolt). Using the proper bullet thats designed to remain in one piece, theres plenty of momentum to get that job done too. Could you shoot me an email so we can touch base? Wow. The 223s flat trajectory and low recoil is great for varmint hunting, plinking, and target shooting; however, it lacks the kinetic energy needed for taking down larger animals like whitetail and hogs. Ammo selection is great in both super- and sub-sonic while being easy to find in basically every LGS. . The same message included: The reason Mr. A went with the 7.6239 head size was, per an interview he did about it, because thats the largest he could make an AR bolt without significantly weakening the lugs. This means that the 50 Beowulf effective range for deer is around 150 yards and 100 yards for elk. A metal grip frame, slide ports and a red dot cut are just some of the new features. The 6.8 SPC, the .458 SOCOM, the .50 Beowulf; all were built to give the AR-15 a different level of performance than the standard 5.56 NATO/.223 Rem. Maybe for me, but not for you. Half the fun of old cars is the manual transmission. However, comparing the entry wounds on paper from the .50 and the 5.56 made a very cogent point. Power, baby! This gun has a quick change barrel, so all you have to do is change out the barrel, bolt, and in some cases with the pistol calibers, the magwell changes as well. The .50 Beowulf cartridge is based on the .50 Action Express, a large pistol cartridge thats the source of the Desert Eagles legendary power and even more legendary recoil. Ive been toying with a .458 socom, but it looks like the .50 ammo is a bit cheaper. I dont know what satanic forces inspired Mr. Alexander to consider the unlikely union of an Israeli .50 AE pistol round and a Russian carbine cartridge, but he did, and the result is the .50 Beowulf. Tried to edit the above post but it didnt take so Ill do it here. Survival AR-7 Rifle, Gun Review: Blaser R8 Ultimate Carbon Hunting Rifle, http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v257/knitepoet/Hunting/bullet2.jpg. Well, due to of the short supply of elk at the rifle range and the prevalence of small block engines in the parking lot, we couldnt put the .50 to the ultimate of tests by killing big game and Chevys. Got lucky at a gunshop 2 years ago and picked up my Beowulf on a S&W MP-15 lower plus 60 rounds of ammo, soft case , bipod for $700.00. For its intended uses, thats plenty accurate enough. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v257/knitepoet/Hunting/bullet2.jpg. 300 Blackout Rifles ; 300 Blackout Pistols ; 300 Blackout Complete Uppers ; 300 Blackout Barrels ; 7.62x39 . You would think a pistol caliber build, which uses smaller rounds overall, would require a lighter buffer weight. Good point. Personally, I say get both. Mostly later. Owning a .50 Beowulf carbine does not require a life-altering commitment of working capital. Where else can you have a 5.56 AR carbine for whatever and then in a matter of seconds swap out uppers to get a compact, semi-automatic, big game rifle with quick change box mags then, in a matter of seconds, swap uppers again and have a perfect hunting or looooong range target rifle (the 6.5 Grendel)? Yes, the beer hall was really under attack. Mine is on a RRA receiver. The family resemblance between the Beowulf carbine and your basic AR-15 is obvious. Its not a (clip), its a magazine. 350 Legend is a growing cartridge with a growing fanbase. The game wont notice the difference between a 14in. Enjoy. Will have to think about it awhile and do some research on costs of each caliber. For hunting deer sized game I'd rather use a 223 with a good bullet. And pistols dont have magazine limits in michigan so youre not limited to 5rd mags when hunting. They give you basically the same punch as a short-action cartridge (at least for a couple of hundred yards) but keep the package small. Great review, Ralph. A cloverleaf of 50 Beowulf is almost a full 2. In this article we will analyze each cartridge to help you decide which Thumper round will work best for your shooting needs. Merry Christmas to me! The NSA is in the room and they blab everything to the keepers of the NICS. The rush of hot gases is powerful enough to blow your hair back as effectively, but perhaps not as pleasantly, as a Trojan brand personal joy buzzer. All of my online sources are sold out! Who sells complete 300 BO uppers that work without issues? The 375 socom looks interesting. The first time I ever got to shoot steel plates with it was awesome. Already have a 12.5 inch barreled 308 but the 300 blackout keeps sticking in my head. The rapid fire capability and fun factor of the .50 is unparalleled. You dont absolutely need a fully rifled barrel, but do need at least a 4 rifled choke. However, the 450 Bushmaster has a flatter trajectory as it fires lighter bullets at higher muzzle velocities. 12 gauge slugs are more common but I will go with the 50 BEO because its semi-auto, mag fed, & can be reloaded cheaply, I use the same powder as I use for loading my .410 shotgunHodgen lil gun, just my 2 centsand thanks for the rantlol, Myself I just love guns and sometimes buy things I have no business in. I love the Wulf. Any way you want it, the .50 Beowulf is a reloaders delight because of its case design and the ready availability of .50 caliber bullets. Its for when the Terminators come. In fact, the muzzle diameter of the .50 is closer to that of a 20 gauge than it is to a 5.56, but its not really shotgun-sized. While the projectile weights are in the same ballpark, the .50 Beowulf is going to deliver longer range and better accuracy. Thats also why AAs Grendel and Beowulf barrels/bolts arent compatible with other Grendel and 12.742 (Beowulf w/o the copyright) barrels/bolts. Whats even less obvious is that the Alexander upper has an enlarged ejection port. AA, Midway and other retailers offer several more expensive ammo flavors, but all ammo costs can be mitigated by reloading. Their more conventional offerings include FMJ, 100-percent brass, jacketed hollow-point, and soft-point bullets ranging from 335 to 400-grains.One thing we havent yet mentioned is the cost, and Im not talking about money. Ha! The extra weight up front made my sight picture a little wobbly when shooting offhand, but also helped to keep the muzzle down, where it belonged, during firing. Was looking for AP bullets for the beo but doesn't look like anyone makes them. Even though you reload, 50 Beowulf bullets and brass are nowhere near as cheap or available as converted .223 and .30 caliber bullets. Keep your gear handy when it's not on your belt. Weve all known for some time now that the AR-15 upper receiver is as adaptable as bacteria. Its old school and new school. So that it can use a 7.62x39 mm bolt face, the case rim is rebated, or smaller than the case body. LeGendre cites Lt. Col. Jeff Coopers writings on the Thumper concept as his inspiration for creating the 450 BM. To provide a clean apples to apples comparison, a standard AR-15 carbine weight (7.5 lbs) will be used for each calculation. To get us all on the same page, heres the social-media-friendly, condensed version of the story. If you were considering getting one but were scared off by the long wait times you should know there are no current delays. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Ive also spoken with him on the phone when I was having some trouble with my Grendel, hes a great person to deal with. Now sure, that is 320ish more foot-pounds. This and throw the BO at the bear to distract him while you dump him. We often hear about the average self-defense scenario, but the truth is every encounter is unique. Given the corpulent nature of the round, a full-sized magazine will hold 10 cartridges.What's the .50 Beowulf Good For?Given the big, fat bullets and higher side of moderate velocity, its a great overall short-to-medium-range cartridge for all sorts of stuff.On the hunting front, especially considering its bullet variety, itll handle pretty much anything north of the equator between Hawaii and Ireland. One thing that I dont like is the .50 Beowulf barrel comes unthreaded (bull barrel), so if you want to install a muzzle break, you are going to have to have it threaded. I dont see really see the niche where this cartridge fits in: Once you get over the giggle/fun factor, is there any application that this would really excel in? I think it's a great all around cartridge. Pistol Buffer 5.0-8.5 oz. 86# doe, shot in the left shoulder, the lump you see is the bullet under the hide on the off side. Thinking 18 or 20 inch barrel if I go 300. claims and some stuff that gets regurgitated constaintly thats just not true . This kind of impact crater, from a round that can be fired from just about any 5.56 magazine, is pretty cool. As a . I will try to post a report after I have assembled it and taken it for a spin. The old 30-30 clearly beats the standard loads for the 6.8 SPC and the 300 AAC Blackout and is roughly the equal of the high pressure Tactical 6.8 loads at the 100 yard mark, which is a pretty reasonable . The 50 AE is most well-known for being the primary chambering of the Desert Eagle handgun. And the extra mass probably helped to mitigate recoil. The pre-built rifles all sport 16.5-inch barrels and come in a variety of fixed and adjustable stock configurations. Beowulf ammo comes in bullet weights ranging between 200 and 600 grains, though 335, 350, and 400 grain bullets are the most common. I have never been able to shoot more than 4 rounds in a row with out the gun jamming. And wait some more. While felt recoil depends on a lot of factors like the recoil impulse velocity and time curve, one way to objectively compare recoil is to look at the raw recoil energy figures. Yes, agreed. All three of these rounds fit the bill in terms of integrating into the AR-15 platform and being larger than 44-caliber, but how do they stack up in terms of ballistics? But, since selling my 50BMG, kind of want another big boomer. Its a great gun and the accuracy was excellent. Precision One loads a round using Hornady's. Dave told me that Alexander is responsive and professional. Sure there are the other two members of the big three but only the Beowulf actually matches the ballistics of the .45-70 and if you have a job that needs a big hammer, why not use the biggest, meanest, most powerful hammer in the toolbox?, What I meant to say was from what Ive read the .50 Beowulf is actually the only one of the big 3 that matches the ballistics of the venerable .45-70, while the others come close. That upper costs $1,012 plus the cost of upgrades. All of them are flattop receivers, but you can certainly stick that classic AR carry handle on if want to be a purist tactical poet..50 Beowulf: Poetry in MotionThink of the .50 Beowulf as a monster pistol cartridge that delivers the approximate performance of the old .45-70 workhorse. For manning the Karaj al-Hajaz checkpoint, the Beowulf carbine is worth its weight in gold and will appear on many wishlists. [ARCHIVED THREAD] - 50 Beowulf or 300 Blackout, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgKjbySsAik. No action needs to be taken by you It looks odd, but it isnt. They're nice, but nothing out of the ordinary. 50bmg and 50 beowulf have very little in common when it comes to "booms", which I'm sure you know.. What am I missing? For me the I take 50 Beowulf out sometimes for fun but mostly if I use it, it is for taking mid-sized game. They have several other varieties too, as well as other sought after calibers, generally all for the same price. Most of the factory ammo for 50 Beowulf comes from Alexander Arms as they hold the trademark on the cartridge name. You know, I would normally think of this as a novelty item, but as of this year we in Ohio can now hunt Deer with rifles other than muzzle loaders, but there is a catch We have to use a rifle chambered for straight wall pistol cartridges, such as .44 mag, 9mm, .45, etc. A couple of frangible loads are available for door lock busting and training use..50 Beowulf AmmunitionAs a proprietary cartridge, ammunition choices are somewhat limited. AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own. . As for factory ammunition, you can find a few different options like these.InceptorAmmunition offers a load using its ARX projectile. It is always unburnt powder in the chamber that is the problem. Factory ammo from Alexander Arms will run you around $1.70/round while custom ammo for hunting or personal defense will typically cost around $3/round. S**t. If yours is anything like mine, its already too long. Both very capable at 150-200yds. Check out the two holes at 9 oclock on this target. Semi-automatic pistols for self-defense continue to be extremely popular, but there is a surprising amount of new double-stack 1911s and revolvers released this year. Those cases are on the chubby side and need a bit more elbow room to escape.Most of the current upper-receiver models include 16.5-inch barrels. We have provided recommending starting charges, which should be safe in every modern, correctly manufactured, and maintained firearm of the appropriate caliber. A week later I got a reply to the first question with no acknowledgement that I had actually placed an order a week earlier. I like the 50 Beowulf because I can shoot that almost anywhere. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013/12/16/wtf-firearm-cannon/, Look up .950 JDJ. The AA upper parts alone weigh in at 4.45 to 5.37 pounds, which is light for a newborn calf but not for half a rifle. I have a 50 Beowulf with a 10.5 barrel. As I write this, five separate Sharknado movies have been released, and Ive yet to see this rifle and cartridge featured in any of them. 308 would barely scratch the surface and 338 lapua is too expensive. We shot hollow points, but you can have your .50s with brass or lead solids or FMJ if you prefer. I like the big crisp round holes it punches in paper. On the other hand, only custom ammo manufacturers like Underwood Ammo, Buffalo Bore, and Black Butterfly make 458 SOCOM and 50 Beowulf rounds. Among others, this list includes cartridges like the .300 Blackout, the 6.8 Remington SPC (also known as the 6.8 SPC), the .450 Bushmaster, the .458 SOCOM and the .50 Beowulf. Bullets fire by the 450 Bushmaster are also fired by three popular handgun cartridges, the 45 Colt, 454 Casull, and 460 S&W. woman shooting it offhand. Double check. That's a tough choice. Too much? In contrast, the 450 Bushmaster and 458 SOCOM have an effective range of 250 yards for deer and 150 yards for elk. I would rather shoot the lever gun and feel more connected to the experience. $800 for an upper. Pistols give you more FREEDOM when you live in a liberal state. Good.OK, so to be honest, I didnt pay attention in English Lit class either. 223, 308, or 243. What testing has found is that 5.56mm at 500 yards had a high-velocity thanks to the lower weight of the 5.56mm NATO bullet. By 300 yards, were looking at a 46-inch drop. I havent had a chance to shoot at 200 yards yet but it performed great at 100 and 150. Why not? I love my AA 50 Beowulf overmatch rifle! The people are so happy that the beer hall was saved that they eventually make Beowulf King. . The 450 BM is no slouch when it comes to kinetic energy, as the 250 gr FTX round had 2,687 ft-lbs of energy while the 300 gr JHP hit with 2,405 ft-lbs. But some shooters wanted morethey wanted more muzzle energy, more fps, more stopping power. I have never been able to shoot more than 4 rounds in a row with out the gun jamming. The round can cover more yards and keep velocity better than its heavier counterpart. He probably wouldnt have even needed a spare magazine and would be alive drinking Danish ale today.Whats the .50 Beowulf?In short, the .50 Beowulf is an elephantine round designed to increase stopping power of an AR-15-platform rifle by a factor of 10 billion or so. Hunters who use full caliber bullets in their .50 caliber muzzleloaders can attest to that. I have bad knees and do not like having to track wounded deer. The camera shake is the result of Dave standing too close to, and in perfect alignment with, the backwash from the muzzle brake. (Since 2007) And 600 rounds neat engine block gun not a long distance hitter. The bullet diameter is only slightly larger at 0.51". Pull the rifle in tight and theres a big shove awaiting your glenohumeral joint. In Michigan the only way I can have a loaded gun in my truck is if its a pistol with my cpl. Even Arnold cant handle fifty cal, right? Developed by Alexander Arms, this cartridge is a tapered, straight-wall case topped with, you guessed it, a .50-caliber projectile. For elk, the Beowulf is limited to 100-yard shots and 150 yards for deer. Bottom line: Beowulf is an epic, but dead, folk hero with valid monster-slaying certificate of participation. The 450 Bushmaster is also unique in the fact that there are single shot and bolt-action rifles available for hunters that are required to use these firearms whereas the 458 and 50 are relegated to the AR-15 platform only. The ammo I use is right froqm Alexander . Although developed under different circumstances, both the Beowulf and the SOCOM share the same parent case. The 50 Beowulf fires a 0.50 diameter bullet like the 500 S&W Magnum and 50 AE. EBR = Evil Black Rifle. At the muzzle, a 350gr XTP .50 Beowulf will have about 2,440 ft.lbf of energy. But, Sir Isaac Newtown giveth as much as he taketh away. The 50 Beowulf lists its maximum overall length as 2.25". some times I like to take my 300 blackout loaded with subs and do some stalking for deer it is great for 50-75 yd shots , other times I just like to go nuclear and take my wulf or socom and hammer what ever I shoot . I used the Beowulf for hunting- it's light, short, easy to pack, and packs a punch. Around the same . Later, to get the renewal on his man card, he has to travel somewhere to slay a dragon but is mortally wounded in the process. In other words, the .50 hits hard. The 450 Bushmaster and 50 Beowulf are excellent deer hunting options for Midwest states that require the use of straight-walled cartridges. The .50 Beowulf was not intended to be a precision target round any more than was the .45 Govt. Not to mention having to walk around with a massive erection from carrying that much problem solving. The .50 Beowulf is a rifle big-bore cartridge developed by Alexander Arms for use in a modified AR-15 rifle. Customer service sucks. Sectional density (SD) is a way to evaluate the penetration ability of a bullet based on its external dimensions, design, and weight. .22 LR to .50 Beowulf, the ubiquitous 5.56 NATO still reigns supreme. Definitly an easy add on caliber. by Mike Hardesty Posted in: Caliber Comparisons 5 comments Read More 1 of 3 Power is one thing and accuracy is another. Recoil, while prodigious when compared to the light 5.56, is manageable. Thats an attractive price for a box of first class, big bore hollow point cartridges. In doing so, I am debating / weighing the pros and cons of the 3 heaviest calibers available for the AR platform, those being the .50 Beowulf by Alexander Arms, the .450 Bushmaster (by Bushmaster, obviously) and, the .458 SOCOM. in this video we compare the 308 winchester. All three rounds have a rebated rim design, meaning their rim is narrower than their cartridge base. It should be noted that it is not advised to use 45 ACP handgun bullets for reloading the 450 Bushmaster. Of course 300 grain .45 caliber bullets are a darn close second. I asked about payment methods, waited a week, no answer so I ordered anyway. A .308 Winchester ranges from 11 to 18 with most loads in the 15 and 16 foot-pound range. But then, it hits you. What will they think of next. It is also the most important factor when computing kinetic energy. Id like to deer hunt with an AR but Ive seen deer shot but not killed with a .223 (I know, shot placement, but nobodys perfect.).
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