Facebook has an especially bad record, but the reality is that a LOT of what is publicly viewable was not put up with the consent of the person. I wouldnt want to talk to 20 people I dont know about this sort of thing and it would also be pretty time consuming. I assume the blog was truthful (I tend to believe victims as well as bad vibes), but what if it hadnt been and he was solely fired on the basis of it? ;). Hey, i saw someone walk into a gay bar three towns over and snapped a photo of them and thats public right? :D. When I worked as a virtual assistant back in 2013, for Administrative Professionals Day we were all told to go out and buy ourselves lunch, submit the receipt (scan+email), and the company would e-transfer us $10. I dont think there is anything wrong with Googling (since its public info, and employers Google job candidates not infrequently), but obviously dont share that you did that! There was no inappropriate disclosure of information involved. Of course they should. that would let people spend the money on food they can actually get in the area they life in. But is it still creepy to steer your shopping cart to the spot behind the paper towel display where you can eavesdrop on their conversation without them seeing that youre there? If I google you and find your home address, thats not a violation. That sounds perfectly legitimate to me, and I dont think the OP will help themselves by assuming bad faith. But your motivation matters. . Im particularly thinking of I noticed so-and-so has been looking at my Instagram page when Im almost certain so-and-so thought they were doing this invisibly. People google other people. The how much should I search question is why Im grateful to have a common name (and why we didnt give our children unique names). forwarding PHI/PII, viewing profiles, discussing a patient's PHI. I never joined the society and forgot about it. Similar we have deemed certain family law issues to have no legitimate public interest that is why family issues with minors are sealed, juvenile court records are usually sealed, and I think that most details of divorce proceedings are not public (someone correct me if I am wrong). Look, we live in a precarious time. #1 I very much fall into the camp of anything more than a linkedin search is being too nosy. Right now Im honestly just hoping that my new boss wont last long at this job. I wonder if it would work for you to have everyone Skype in for a 2 or 3pm meeting thats basically just you telling them how awesome they are, and then giving everyone everywhere the rest of the afternoon off, no PTO usage necessary. all seems fine to me. Thank you for being the voice of reasonsays someone who worked at a company where people were chastised for waiting until the vendor left the building before turning in the coffee cup or (and I am not kidding) emery board. I also think another part of whats getting peoples hackles up is something I have seen with coworkers who have crossed the benign/creepy searching border: when they do an initial search and dont find anything juicy? I fully understand why someone higher on the list of alt-right targets (LGBT, nonwhite, etc) would want to know before they ended up alone in the office with someone holding those views. I completely understand not wanting your coworkers to know about that tragedy. Its okay for me to look at it, comment on your page (if that functionality is enabled), link to it, write a blog post about it, perform web searches on the information in your posts, contact you on that profile (if that functionality is enabled), even download your photos. I have looked at LinkedIn profiles of some co-workers and people who are interviewing me for jobs. It depends on the industry and you need to check with your manager or HR. OP, have you talked to your remote workers? I just think its more likely that shadow profile is a conceptual term rather than describing something that actually exists. Technically the items in there still belong to the store and are not your private property yet, yeah, but itd be really weird. this is an interesting thought, especially in light of the original letter. I think the people who think they should never be googled without a good reason are unreasonable, and wildly out of touch. I heard from another team that they sent someone to these because they needed to spend down their budget otherwise it would be cut the next year. I think your analogy is over-the-top. Its just that theres very little stop them from doing it if they are so inclined, just like theres very little to stop someone stealing stuff out of an unlocked car. Years later, I google myself and discover that some enterprising person had typed up that information and added it to their online membership list, which was something I did not know even existed. I really like my job overall and I work in a very specialized profession so I dont have many options and dont want to leave. Not to mention that resumes are usually written for an audience of a hiring manager rather than a direct report. Huh, I thought, I wonder if we went to high school together! Yeah, if you google my name you can find my phone number, because it was in a newsletter from 1998 that is online. I get that googling a coworker is odd to you but I think equating it with driving by their house is not reasonable. I dont get being nosey about personal things Im one who actively avoids looking up that kind of stuff about coworkers but I do look folks up on linkedin and on their previous company websites to get a sense of job history and other work related things. This even extends down to my direct manager I dont expect her to know every button press I do in every aspect of my job, otherwise, shed be doing my job instead of managing me and my colleagues (who press different buttons!). Maybe its not the right or nice thing to do, but, well, the internet is there, human curiosity knows no bounds, and rabbit-holing is a thing. I also wasnt talking about social media. by | Jun 2, 2022 | george kittle brother ohio state | Jun 2, 2022 | george kittle brother ohio state I dont want to look at that and would hope decent people wouldnt say Thats fair game.. Its time for you to educate yourself. My point was you cant flow on people to tell you everything youd want to know about them. If they gave you a reason to think that, I could maybe see it. The delivery guy called and said, Im at 123 Main Street, and theres nothing here but a bank, and the boss said, No, 123 Main Street should be the Springfield Building, and the delivery guy said, Im not in Springfield, Im in Spring Green.), what about a $10 prepaid visa card periodically? colleagues should never snoop or look up information cvs. I might not reference it to the candidate or hiring partner, but it helps me guide the interview process. He was a temp/contract worker hired from a service, so I dont know who was supposed to do a background check, but yeah, the ball was dropped multiple times. My default is people are hunting (Why? Yeah, thats a standard step in buying a house. That doesnt mean you are, but you shouldnt write that off solely because youre been managing for 20 years. Its all risk and no reward. Its legal. #1: About a decade ago some coworkers and I decided to Google each other. Being a 250 lb giant hunk of muscle isnt protected, but it certainly wouldnt be fair not to hire him based on that characteristic. I think she was talking about professionals. If someone asks again, could you tell them I havent authorized you to share it?, 3. I think for most companies security is not a question of if they will be hacked but rather when will they be hacked. Having zero commute, the ability to meet the cable guy at 2pm, pick my kid up at 5:05 and tidy the house over lunch is all the treats I need. But digging into my personal life, especially via a background check? I would feel comfortable saying ^ in front of them and our boss, so it makes sense. Then again, we are a pretty mobile society, so its possible that someone from your small New England town will end up being a co-worker of yours in your new locale. I can honestly say Ive never thought about googling a coworker. With my name still attached. Maybe he will, maybe he wont. Maybe an obituary of a relative. I think that is pretty common and not a big deal, I see in my linkedin profile view others doing the same quite frequently. Im the one youre paying to be an expert in this specialty. See the links below. But its creepy. Yes, a basic google search to make sure there are no red banners (eg RECENT boasts about wild and drunk parties, racist rants, sketchy schemes, or anything that contradicts their resume or application materials) can make a lot of sense. (She was older and didnt quite understand the internet.). To continue with your analogy, I think think asking the person wearing the costume would be the same as asking a coworker directly about certain information. It was bananas. But thats because they need to protect themselves from predators. Thats the same reason there are so many political signs up at election time. I think in the situation Red5 mentioned the sales agent was not walking the person through the house, they were shooing them away. The Code provides standards of conduct and guidance to resolve ethical and compliance issues at the work. Did she really think only people in her survivors group would find it and read it? You didnt understand that when you were 14 and posting your entire life under your real name on Livejournal or MySpace? And if they dont use their own name, I think its not cool to bring it up, even if youre sure that u/frogsarestupid is your colleague. Regarding My manager doesnt understand what I do. This might mean my manager doesnt understand my technical work. It seems totally normal to me. I am constantly receiving Starbucks giftcards that are of no use to me, since I dont drink coffee or tea. interviewing with a service dog in my lap, boss thinks Im a stonerbecauseI called out on 4/20, and more, I desperately need breaks between my back-to-back meetings, I manage a gay employee and our company is homophobic, a coworker told me I talk too much, Im still ruminating over a job I didnt take, and more, should I invite my team to my home for dinner, will my company expect me to work with my ex, and more, after I hired someone, a mutual friend told me Id made a huge mistake. If you dont want people connecting your internet activity to your professional self use a handle. But since I dont have one large office to put everyone in, even my on-campus staff are spread out in several locations. if you bought a house, how much you paid for it. Whether you work full- or part-time, we offer wide variety of benefits and well-being resources. If youre uncomfortable with what the law decides is public information, thats on you. If you do a quick search of someones name and check out their LinkedIn profile, theres nothing wrong with reading it. Youre not questioning their ability to do their job, if you ask about prior experience. Sometimes theyll ask you to provide a W2, but thats not to check how much you made; its because the company didnt respond to the employment verification request. Nothing that constitutes a meal. I referred to this in a comment below, but when you sign up for social media and accept the terms and conditions, it asks you point-blank if the platform has permission to publish and distribute your information, and you are saying point-blank that YES, its okay for that information to be published and distributed. Thats a lot of effort for someone you dont know and downright disturbing. I still usually use screennames that cant be easily traced back to me, and people were way more intense about it back in the aughts when we all thought posting your real name on the internet meant a crazed murderer would instantly show up outside your house. On a side note what happened to the blue line on the right side of a comment that shows its a new comment since you last refreshed? Then I would expect someone to send me the company logo umbrella gift and maybe a box of chocolates. Colleagues: Use Windows ID and password (computer login) Attention: MyLife is solely for the use of authorized CVS Health agents. Exactly. Me either. Alison answered this before, as WellRed mentioned, and there was an update. Im talking about someone randomly googling a coworker, finding their address and driving there when you have no reason to do so. Everyone has a different stance on how far is acceptable and whats creepy. (Presumably eventually the pattern would be noticeable, but for that to happen it would need to first have an impact. So it comes out nicely. In my initial interactions with the start-up, I was able to avoid answering their initial questions about desired compensation and former salary, and the interview went ahead and went well. Eh, unfortunately this only hurts the lowly HR drone who has to process all those disclosures, not the higher ups making the policy. Ah, now I can see why thats relevant in a professional capacity actually. And as you said, within the hierarchy it might not be appropriate to ask but the knowlege might be good. When the main office has pizza, the manager has tried (1) having pizza delivered to us here, (2) offering us a budget to plan a lunch of our own, (3) sending us gift cards, (4) giving one of us money to bring in donuts for the rest, (5) sending us to see a movie on work time (there was a vague connection between the movie and our company, but it was a real movie and not a training film). I am really sorry about that tragedy that you suffered, you have my sympathy. Otherwise, working from home, for me, generally trumps free food in the office! Its a way to undermine you and make you feel small. Thats not fair to them. Sometimes other stuff comes up, like their recent DUI or a highlighted post about their divorce. I manage a small team 2 people in the office I work out of, and one remote employee who works out of the office in another state. colleagues should never snoop or look up information cvs2nd battalion, 4th field artillery regiment. Thats waaaayyyy too much, perfectly publicly available, knowledge to have gathered. Contractors & temporary colleagues in certain situations. Along with job title? I work with them. The world is changing. It is a ridiculous policy. Im not even allowed to buy my customer a sandwich. Please no. He felt included and loved it. I stupidly hadnt googled myself for a year or two and recently did when AAM had a letter about snooping. Which of the following are examples of accessing information without a business purpose? I come from a nosy profession, but we also value discretion. Or even non-protected characteristics. I never consented to that, there is no way to get it removed (short of creating a shell company and selling your house to it), but there it is out there for everyone to see. In the LWs shoes, Id be furious, but not because of the search itself. how do I learn what is and isnt okay at professional jobs? Or making an announcement enough in advance that if someone wants to come in for the free food, they can swap around their schedules. While you can certainly find people who feel even a basic google search is an invasion of privacy, the internet is right at our fingertips and I dont think its a massive overstep to do a quick search because youre curious about someones professional background. Im interviewing now and just plain disgusted at how far this really big company has gone to get my salary history. I think most if not all county tax assessors post sales records, name of person buying, and assessed value online now, if not online most places consider it an accessible public record. Or at least, neutral knowledge that would be weird if it slipped out. For example, during my Freshers week at university I gave my name and e-mail address (i.e. OP2: Since asking about previous salary is so common (ugh), she probably didnt think anything of telling them, especially when they approached it as a fair offer thing. People who could put the pieces together might identify us but it would be super invasive and dangerous (I know at least one person who was kicked out by their parents because someone online outed them). The point of office meals and activities is building comradery, so is there really an equivalent for remote employees? So glad that went down in the results and now its generic people, like a vet or doctor or news host. If I went on a date with someone and thought it might go somewhere, for example. Voters saw Fergus G McIntyre and thought Fergus McIntyre, I know that namepeople speak highly of him.. It sounds like some really good work but if the director wont hear it from OP, then ask the clients to tell the director. I think if that were to happen at the interviewing stage and the candidate was one of the top picks, it would make sense to have a woman interview them and evaluate if she felt safe with them or was getting weird vibes. To pull an example from the air that is certainly not my experience, sigh. For remote employees, they can order food and expense it with the company, which would be part of the budget. It was a pain contacting each site to take the info down. Presumably your company isnt relying on those things as part of the supplies they provide (and may even prefer you not use other companies branded supplies in any client-facing work, who knows). It doesnt even have to be the amount of time it takes. I had to calm her down, show her the thread, teach her how the whole dumb thing works, and show how it was a response. But since in your case, a lot of the remote workers arent actually remote by choicelike you said, theres not enough room in the main office for them and so they have to work from elsewhere on campusI agree that you should do something (I like Alisons suggestions), and I think youre a good manager for thinking of it! The one thing that is helping me in the moment is solidarity. That was the case in 1994 and its the case in 2019. Thats easy information to find, and is helpful context. Nothing wrong with the satisfaction in doing better than a competitor in amateur sports but youre not supposed to be obvious about it. I love AAMs script for this. I know many of the AAM commenters hate personal interactions face to face, but for a lot of people this would be a face to face conversation. Using personal information to do questionable things can be a violation. Not continuously (like, Im not going to be looking you up on LinkedIn when weve worked together for a while), but at the start, absolutely. Having the wrong opinions about the wrong coworker might result in rather significant harassment and abuse. It didnt take a lot of snooping. I see a lot of companies that are like oh remote working IS the perk, so who cares about all the great stuff we offer in-office employees? this makes me sad, so if you are fiscally able, try to offer comparable perks to your remote employees! It is usually done for a specific purpose yes like a divorce case, or an insurance company trying to catch a potential scammer. I Googled myself yesterday and here are a few things Ive found that I never posted: 5K race times from the past few years, opinion articles I wrote for my college newspaper (this was the early 2000s and the paper didnt have a strong online presence), a pic that someone uploaded to my colleges digital depository that Im not in, but someone thought I was in, a few of my cross country times from high school, results of softball games from the mid-90s, etc. I received a gift card as a thank you for a job I did in a different state while working remotely, and those stores existed solely in that state (2000 miles away). Just because its out there doesnt mean its not weird to dig into it. To me its not so much about what they see, its about their choosing to look more than incidentally even if all I was doing was just sitting in a chair reading a book. victory over evil bible verses. It stinks but its the way of the world. One can hardly post details of their personal life online and then claim that anyone who sees it is pre-judging or not getting to know them. Its WAY different to check out someones LinkedIn profile before a conference call than to run a public records search so you can check out their landscaping. Its one thing to go to a manager and say I could use more support, specifically with x and y or I know you arent familiar with the technicalities but z is really important to my team, can I explain our current challenges and get your feedback.its another thing to go to HR and say my manager doesnt know anything about what I do and isnt managing us (this could vary a lot by your level in an org and how technical your work). I assume theyre doing the same to me. But maybe you will understand now. But dont let on that youve done so. Or the snooping behavior might be more nefarious. Bad enough they can google it and make some assumptions based on the square footage and selling price (like Ive mentioned before about the recruiter who thought using the price of my house would be a good haggling point to get the proposed salary lower because I clearly wasnt hurting for money.). Keladry of Midelan OMG you have lived my world. Theres stuff on the internet about me that I didnt actually opt into though. Not continuously (like, I'm not going to be looking you up on LinkedIn when we've worked together for a while), but at the start, absolutely. Yes, I think anything on LinkedIn and professional sites counts as publicly visible.. I have none, and my one account goes by a different name. I wanted to connect to them on LinkedIn. I can take long lunches a few hours within reason at my discretion but its really nice to be explicitly told hey we want to make sure you take some time out of your schedule too and wont be bugging you for x and y. I used to be remote. Sure, someone could look in and see what youre doing. I dont share your experiences but there are party pictures with me that I didnt know was posted until much later. There are still many people in this world using the internet for the first time today. Thats why you should google yourself to make sure theres nothing out there youd be uncomfortable with strangers knowing. They still show up though. Actually what they can do is (1) collect all the swag they can, (2) fill out all the disclosure paperwork needed per item, (3) make an appointment with an upper-level HR person, and (4) bring all the swag and all the disclosure forms to help make the point. She was divorced. Just because its publicly available, doesnt mean its fair game IMO. We make safe shipping arrangements for your convenience from Baton Rouge, Louisiana. What youre saying is the equivalent of saying theyre in the phone book, of course I looked up where they live 20 years ago, or if you didnt want me to look through your phone, you should put a stronger passcode on it or of course I went through my wallet, its your fault for leaving it on your desk. Sure, its technically not my house yet, but Im under contract; so while its probably not legally trespassing, its essentially walking into someone elses house uninvited and is creepy AF. Im guessing the LW was probably thinking about this level of research, but was wondering how close it is to being inappropriate. Thats literally why it exists. This isnt just about information that you yourself have posted. Im guessing I work for the same company. Thats true, but Im not losing any sleep over some guy who wanted to be a paramedic firefighter not getting a job as such because he posted, more than once, that all black people should die (amongst other things). Usually happens when someone new gets hired and just want to know a little about them, also use this to look up some minimal information about new clients, etc.. When so called disclosures are designed to be unreadable and often even confusing, that IS a justification. Hey, said it in public right? Its all about purpose and intent. There are definitely reasons for googling someones profession background. I just dont see how reading anything personal is relevant. I work remotely too, and Im with you. I think googling a coworker and checking out their Linked In, Facebook, twitter, other social media is one thing and that is not the same as driving to someones house. That would be wrong. I know my sister the nurse used to get tonnes of stuff. If you check in on Facebook everywhere you go, MAYBE it should not come as a huge shock when people know where you were every Tuesday at 7. I dont want people to be able to pay for a background check on me. Ideally, there would be a stronger candidate and that would be the reason you didnt move forward with them. They have hot chocolate and food. Mine have all disappeared so I cant see whats new and whats not, so Im wading through comments Ive already read. Thats too much. Thats the part whats most likely to freak everyone out. Saying someone has a mental illness for running a quick google search is a major leap, and also feeds into the stigmatization of mental illness.
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